[Proposal: MB 28/29 & MR 24/25] for Funding Subscan Explorer Operations and Maintenance on Moonbeam and Moonbase Networks for 2022 and 2023

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Title - Proposal for Funding Subscan Explorer Operations and Maintenance on Moonbeam and Moonbase Networks for 2022 and 2023

This proposal requests funding from the Moonbeam Treasury to support the operation and maintenance of Subscan Explorer on the Moonbeam and Moonbase networks for 2022 and 2023. It outlines the essential services provided by Subscan, the associated costs with a discounted fee structure, and the strategic importance of these services to the network’s performance and stability.

Note: This is an overall discussion. After obtaining community approval, on-chain treasury proposals will be submitted on an annual basis in Moonbeam and Moonriver.

Funding Proposal for 2022

Proponent

Address: 0x9c0fEf6b48Cb0B16EDc72a61d9503A78782c19e2
Date: 26th June 2024
Requested Amount: 150,921.81 GLMR & 1,337.31 MOVR

Short Description

This proposal requests funding from the Moonbeam and Moonriver Treasury to support the operation and maintenance of Subscan Explorer on the Moonbeam, Moonriver, and Moonbase networks for 2022. It outlines the essential services provided by Subscan, the associated costs with a discounted fee structure, and the strategic importance of these services to the network’s performance and stability.

Abstract

This proposal requests funding from the Moonbeam and Moonriver Treasury to cover operation and maintenance costs of Subscan Explorer services on the Moonbeam, Moonriver, and Moonbase networks for the year 2022. Subscan offers critical services essential for network performance at a discounted fee structure, highlighting the value and necessity of this funding.

Motivation

Subscan Explorer is instrumental in aggregating and managing chain data, which is crucial for maintaining optimal network performance and providing reliable technical support. By securing financial support from the Moonbeam and Moonriver Treasury, we aim to sustain and enhance these vital services, ensuring the networks’ stability and efficiency.

Project Overview and Team Experience

Subscan has consistently delivered essential services to the Moonbeam, Moonriver, and Moonbase networks, including resource computation, database storage, network bandwidth management, system monitoring, and comprehensive technical support. Our expertise in managing both EVM and Substrate systems positions us uniquely to uphold our commitment to the Moonbeam ecosystem’s robustness.

Overall Cost

For 2022, the operating and maintenance expenses for networks utilizing both EVM and Substrate systems are priced at $1,299 per month per network. This includes an additional charge of $299 per month per network for archive nodes. Recognizing Moonbeam’s early support, we offer a 20% discount on these fees and waive all additional service charges.

  • For Moonbeam and Moonbase network, the total funding requested is $30,681.6, to be converted into GLMR based on the EMA7 price:

  • For Moonriver network, the total funding requested is $15,340.8, to be converted into MOVR based on the EMA7 price:

    • 2024-06-26 07:56:12 (+UTC), Block #7067667
    • MOVR EMA7 Price (USD): 11.471329
    • Number of MOVR: 1,337.316713
      Price Converter

Compensation for Previous Proposal

Due to procedural changes in governance, Subscan’s earlier proposal #2 was closed. We now seek compensation for the incurred losses totaling 4,206.95 GLMR.

Use of Treasury Funds

The funds will be allocated to covering the operation and maintenance costs, ensuring continuous and efficient Subscan Explorer services. Deliverables will include enhanced computing resource management, optimized database storage, maintained network bandwidth, improved monitoring capabilities, and robust technical support.

View Detailed Proposal

Funding Proposal for 2023

Proponent

Address: 0x9c0fEf6b48Cb0B16EDc72a61d9503A78782c19e2
Date: 26th June 2024
Requested Amount: 183,393.58 GLMR & 1,671.64 MOVR

Short Description

This proposal requests funding from the Moonbeam and Moonriver Treasury to support the operation and maintenance of Subscan Explorer on the Moonbeam, Moonriver, and Moonbase networks for 2023. It outlines the essential services provided by Subscan, the associated costs with a discounted fee structure, and the strategic importance of these services to the network’s performance and stability.

Abstract

This proposal requests funding from the Moonbeam and Moonriver Treasury to cover operation and maintenance costs of Subscan Explorer services on the Moonbeam, Moonriver, and Moonbase networks for the year 2023. Subscan offers critical services essential for network performance at a discounted fee structure, highlighting the value and necessity of this funding.

Motivation

Subscan Explorer is instrumental in aggregating and managing chain data, which is crucial for maintaining optimal network performance and providing reliable technical support. By securing financial support from the Moonbeam and Moonriver Treasury, we aim to sustain and enhance these vital services, ensuring the networks’ stability and efficiency.

Project Overview and Team Experience

Subscan has consistently delivered essential services to the Moonbeam, Moonriver, and Moonbase networks, including resource computation, database storage, network bandwidth management, system monitoring, and comprehensive technical support. Our expertise in managing both EVM and Substrate systems positions us uniquely to uphold our commitment to the Moonbeam ecosystem’s robustness.

Overall Cost

For 2023, the operating and maintenance expenses for networks utilizing both EVM and Substrate systems are priced at $1,299 per month per network. This includes an additional charge of $299 per month per network for archive nodes.

  • For Moonbeam and Moonbase network, the total funding requested is $38,352, to be converted into GLMR based on the EMA7 price:

    • 2024-06-26 08:00:06 (+UTC), Block #6457082
    • GLMR EMA7 Price (USD): 0.209124
    • Number of GLMR: 183,393.584667
      Price Converter

  • For Moonriver network, the total funding requested is $19,176, to be converted into MOVR based on the EMA7 price:

    • 2024-06-26 07:56:12 (+UTC), Block #7067667
    • MOVR EMA7 Price (USD): 11.471329
    • Number of MOVR: 1,671.645892
      Price Converter

Use of Treasury Funds

The funds will be allocated to covering the operation and maintenance costs, ensuring continuous and efficient Subscan Explorer services. Deliverables will include enhanced computing resource management, optimized database storage, maintained network bandwidth, improved monitoring capabilities, and robust technical support.

View Detailed Proposal

Community Feedback

To enhance the quality of our services, Subscan has integrated the Moonbase Testnet into our system. We are seeking feedback from the community to understand the interest and needs regarding the continued use of Subscan Explorer on Moonbase Alpha and other test networks. We welcome community members to share their views, and whether they see a necessity for explorers for both testnets. This feedback will help us better tailor and optimize our services to meet user expectations and requirements.

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hey @yakioliu, Thank you for submitting your proposal! subscan is an explorer I personally find very useful

I noticed a few things that could use some corrections. there is a typo in the

where “USD&to*” should be corrected

also, the term

should be corrected to “Moonbeam, Moonriver, and Moonbase Alpha networks” for consistency

I have a few questions and points I would like to clarify:

  1. given that Moonbase Alpha is a testnet, what specific adjustments or additional work is required compared to the mainnets that justify the full fee?

  2. could you clarify the procedural changes in governance that led to the closure of Proposal #2 and the basis for the compensation request of 4,206.95 GLMR?

  3. how does subscan plan to integrate community feedback, especially regarding the Moonbase Testnet? can you share any initial feedback received so far?

  4. I’m personally receiving some requests / feedback from the community sometimes. Is there a contact that we can point the community to reach your team if they have good feedback

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Hi @turrizt , thank you very much for your review and questions. I’m happy to address them:

Given that Moonbase Alpha is a testnet, what specific adjustments or additional work is required compared to the mainnets that justify the full fee?

The current fee covers only cover operations and maintenance costs and does not include any development-related expenses. It’s directly tied to resource usage. In fact, due to the extended runtime of the testnet and some stress testing (I presume), Moonbase currently occupies 2.26 TB of data, second only to Kusama and Polkadot. For reference, Moonbeam uses 1.31 TB, and Moonriver uses 1.03 TB. Please note, this proposal covers the years 2022 and 2023, during which the usage would have been lower.

If the data on the testnet is not crucial, I suggest periodically resetting the testnet (a practice many networks adopt), which would significantly reduce operational costs. Of course, this depends on the Moonbeam team’s considerations regarding the testnet.

As time progresses, resource consumption continues to grow, which is why the fees for 2023 are higher than those for 2022. Despite this, we are not even covering our costs, as we are offering a discounted rate due to the significant support Moonbeam provided us early on.

Could you clarify the procedural changes in governance that led to the closure of Proposal #2 and the basis for the compensation request of 4,206.95 GLMR?

At that time, Subscan submitted a standard invoice to the team, but we were informed it did not meet the treasury requirements. Given the high priority of the treasury-related upgrades and the short timeframe, Subscan could not prepare a detailed proposal. Therefore, after discussing with the team, we suggested rejecting this proposal and compensating for the related losses through a subsequent proposal (After the proposal is rejected, the reserved funds will be slashed).

How does Subscan plan to integrate community feedback, especially regarding the Moonbase Testnet? Can you share any initial feedback received so far?

We’ve received requests from both Moonbeam and Tanssi developers indicating that the Moonbase (Aleph) Testnet is important to them.
Of course, they also hope that I can use this opportunity to solicit the opinions of the community to see if the community needs subscan to integrate two test networks at the same time. We remain open to this.

I’m personally receiving some requests/feedback from the community sometimes. Is there a contact that we can point the community to reach your team if they have good feedback?

Previously, we were unable to communicate directly with the Moonbeam community. However, we now know about the forum channel, and we welcome everyone to discuss more about Subscan optimizations and suggestions here and @yakioliu .
Or:

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Hi @yakioliu ,

Thank you for brining this up here on the Forum.
The @TreasuryCouncil will review and discuss your proposal in its upcoming coordination meeting and follow up soon.

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In the meantime, would you mind providing some numbers for possible cost reduction if there were potentially a “purge” of data in the Moonbase Alpha?

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Thank you for your follow-up @lina.k.m . We are pleased to share that Subscan’s pricing structure is transparent. Our Subscan Maintenance Packages offer tiered pricing based on actual usage:

a. Basic: Up to 200 GB at $799/month; beyond 200 GB at $5.3/GB. This plan automatically upgrades to the next tier after 350 GB.

b. Advanced: Up to 500 GB at $1,699/month; beyond 500 GB at $5.2/GB. This plan automatically upgrades to the next tier after 750 GB.

c. Professional: Up to 1 TB at $2,999/month; beyond 1 TB at $5/GB.

Based on Moonbase’s previous usage, it is expected that after the testnet reset, the cost will remain at the lowest tier, which is $799/month, for at least six months.

Additionally, we support prepayment options. The prepayment will be based on the current latest prices, and any additional resources added later will not incur extra charges, serving as a discount. Just for your reference.

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Hey @yakioliu,

Thanks for your patience while we were discussing the proposal internally.

I’m sure you can understand that it was a complex discussion when evaluating 2022 funding in mid-2024.
Usually that would result in rejection of the proposal as the treasury is operated in 6-month-terms by the selected council members.

However, we agreed upon an exception here as the Moonbeam Treasury Council was just being formed when you came up with the initial request.

You can move forward and submit the proposals on-chain.

For future funding we expect you to submit the proposals in a timely manner.
We’d kindly ask you to submit a proposal for the year 2024 retroactively at the end of the year and afterwards one retroactive proposal every 6 months.

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Here are the links to the on-chain proposals :point_down:

MB 28 & 29

MR 24 & 25

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Hey @yakioliu get ready for payouts! :dizzy:
All four Subscan related treasury motions have been approved and closed by the Council on-chain.
With the current spend period on Moonbeam ending in roughly 22.5h a combined total of 330,108.30 GLMR will be payed out to your beneficiary address, as well as the lump sum of 3,008.9 MOVR on Moonriver respectively in about 3.25 days.
We highly appreciate your continuous smooth operation for the Moonbeam ecosystem! :sparkles:
Thanks & kind regards

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Dear Moonbeam Council and Community,

We are truly grateful for the incredible support and trust you have given us. Your backing empowers us to continue enhancing our services and creating a better experience for all our users.

Together, we can make the explorer even more powerful and user-friendly. Let’s keep collaborating and driving forward to new heights!

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